Nariaki Obukuro and Naoki Matayoshi's view of the world that allows us to share the "nostalgic feeling of being alive.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)I think it varies.

small bagNo, I am rather ecstatic. The memories of the past that are brought back to my mind suddenly take on meaning, and I am compelled to express them in words or music. I feel as if I have to express them in words or music, otherwise I would not be at rest, I would not feel at ease.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)It is difficult to explain, but I know from experience that when we meet and part, we are motivated to create. So, oddly enough, when we meet, there is already a parting of the ways. A comedian cannot speak unless something interesting happens. For example, when you get tangled up with a strange person on the street, you should run away because you might get beaten up, but in order to make it an interesting story, you have to take one more step.

small bagHeh.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)I am willingly getting into trouble, but I am not so calculating as to be able to say that, it just comes naturally to me. I have a feeling very similar to that. In other words, while I like someone, I think to myself, "If this person rejects me, I'll come up with something really funny. But I really shouldn't think that way.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)And I may not be able to reach that feeling I am looking for in the first place, because it would be different from the experience I had when I was young, such as when I was rejected by my first love. So it is very complicated, but I pretend to have forgotten what I know as an experience.

small bagHas that feeling been around for a long time now?

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)Yes, there is. I wonder what it is. I think that when you think, "I am not a person who is accepted by others," you can see where you stand when creating. When you can confirm that, you don't have to think about unnecessary things.

small bagOh.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)When I was a child, I tended to be alone when we were playing together, and when I had a girl I liked, I was treated very roughly. One day, when I was playing with a cool friend named Nobu-kun, a girl I liked asked me to play with her for the first time, and I got really excited. I asked him, "What do you want to do? I asked her, "How do you play? I asked her, and she said, "Nobu-kun ou ou Matayoshi beggar. Nobu-kun Ou Ou Ou, Matayoshi Mataoshi Mokujikku.

all of usHaha (laughs).

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)I was in shock. I didn't know how to react, and I couldn't get angry or cry. But I did my best to play the role of a beggar, and the boy laughed so much. I was happy that she was laughing in spite of the messed-up situation, and I think that is my position in the world. That is my position in expressing something.

small bagMm-hmm.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)So, when I am praised by others or in a good mood, my mind works well, but when I am out of that state of mind, that moment when I feel "Oh, I'm so alone," is rather important.

small bagI see.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)But the number of times that happens is decreasing. It's harder to be in that situation, or rather, my friends are gathering around me. Maybe that's why I'm starting to find different ways of doing things, but that's the way it's been up until now.

small bagI've only made one film, but are you aware of the changes that occur with each film?　Or do you challenge yourself to do something new each time?

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)I try to challenge myself every time. I wrote my first novel, "Spark," when I was 34 years old. I trust the senses of people in their 20s very much. I like the impulsive words and actions and relationships with the people around me that are unique to that age group, but at 34, I have moved away from that. So when I wrote "Spark," one of the main points was how to recreate the bare, painful feeling I had when I was in my 20s.

small bagThat's why "Spark" is structured like that.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)That's right. In short, there are two perspectives: Tokunaga's, the main character, and my perspective as a 30-something. Tokunaga probably wrote the book looking back on that time, so I decided to write the book in a way that it has the feeling of a person in his/her 20s, but there is a possibility that he/she may have edited it somewhere. That was my challenge when I wrote "Spark," and the challenge for my second work, "Theater," was to see what I could write other than what was written.

small bagThat's a different dimension from the so-called "reading between the lines" kind of thing.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)Yes, I am. From a larger perspective, is what Nagata, the protagonist and narrator, is saying true? When we speak, we often lie, or we blur our words to protect someone else, or we say things like, "I shouldn't say this. I wondered if I could do that in a novel.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)Yes, it is. That is one of the means.

small bagMatayoshi, how do you deal with things that cannot be expressed in words?　Thanks to music, I am able to express what cannot be expressed in words in terms of rhythm, melody, and the like.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)It's difficult, isn't it? Because, for example, looking at a landscape at sunset is many times more beautiful than my description. So I think about how I can connect my words to the scenery that each person has seen. Words alone will never tell the story, so I look for expressions that connect to the most powerful dusk of each person through their words.

small bagIs there always another person present when you express something?

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)That's right. As far as "conveying" is concerned. Of course, there are moments in the writing of a novel when you can't anticipate the reader at all, so I can't say that in general. I have the opportunity to write haiku as a hobby.

small bagHeh.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)I think haiku is an act of expression that allows the viewer to grasp something larger, or to leap forward in thought, by using words as a launching pad, rather than just describing the scenery as it is. I like that kind of thing. So I thought it would make sense to write in print. It's not about fighting against the world, but about connecting the world with my writing.

small bagLately, I have been really into haiku, too. I don't write haiku myself, but I read a biography of Yamatohka written by Mamoru Murakami, who studied Yamatohka Taneda and Houya Ozaki, and I was hooked. Yamatohka met Nakaya Nakahara's younger brother, Kurero, in Yawata City (now part of Kitakyushu City) in Fukuoka Prefecture. Kurero was the one who really became a doctor after being told by Yamatohka to become one. I recently got a copy of a book he wrote called "Umi no Tabiji" (A Journey to the Sea) and I am reading it now.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)I have several of Mamoru Murakami's books too. I have read many of his books, especially Houya.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)What do you do when you write lyrics, Mr. Kobukuro?

small bagI am the type of person whose words do not come down to me unless I am touched by something, but the trigger can be anything, and often it is someone else's work. When my own memories are combined with it, it becomes a word. I feel that I am not a musician by nature.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)Why?

small bagFor example, I cannot express myself by playing the piano. I tend to put things into words and then make music from the words that come to mind. So, when I want to leave something behind, I have recently realized that my first priority is not music, but words. I feel that what I can't fully express in words is what I make into music. That is why I am afraid of what I cannot fully express.

small bagNo, I don't really have the premise of "communicating" in the first place. I am quite self-centered, and I can only judge if it feels right to me or not, and I don't like it when it doesn't. Conversely, if it feels right to me, it is finished. Conversely, if it feels right, it is finished. Matayoshi, where do you place the end point of a work?

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)I wonder where. I think that if I can write about things that I didn't know, or things that I wasn't even aware of, then it has become a work of art. For example, when I am making a comedy, I can surprise myself by saying, "Oh, what's with this development? I can be surprised by something I didn't even know was going on, but in the same way, I can be surprised by something I didn't know was going on. or "Why did he just say this? I sometimes come across phrases that make me wonder why he said what he said.

small bagSomething that came up for no reason.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)Yes, I do. If I interpret it in my own way and reflect it in the novel, it will never be what I originally envisioned. If I could do that, I would be able to present it as my own work without being intimidated.

small bagI see.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)When I don't have enough time to write an essay, I feel very guilty if I try to fit it into a mold or pattern that I already have. I feel guilty when I frame my work in a mold or pattern that I have. This has little to do with the appreciation of the viewer, but it does have a great influence on my personal satisfaction with the work.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)That's right. Rather early on, the main character's senior comedian, a guy named Kamiya, says, "The key is how to ruin a beautiful world, a vivid world. I could understand that much. I knew that ruining a beautiful world would be fun, and I also knew that there would be some kind of shock. But then Kamiya said, "If you destroy it, an even more beautiful world will appear. I couldn't understand what he meant when I was writing it, and after thinking about it, I said, "Well, let's take him at his word. In terms of the story, there was a breakup of the main characters towards the end, and many people told me later that it would have been better to end the story there, but if I followed Kamiya's words, I had to destroy the beautiful world after it had been completed.

small bagMm-hmm.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)I thought to myself, "What will happen after I destroy it?" But in the end, I reached a point where I thought, "Oh, I see. I reached a point where I thought, "Oh, I see...this is what Kamiya was talking about.

small bagNo, not at all. So I feel that I may be at the bottom of my life, in a sense. I was reading a book in a coffee shop today, and there was someone talking about me in the seat next to me, and I felt scared and ran away. Well, it's the time of year, and I'm grateful for that, but apart from that, I don't like the feeling of being exposed, as a musician's mindset.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)Yes, yes, yes.

small bagI was going to ask Matayoshi-san today why he doesn't like my music, but after hearing what he just said, I think it is probably because I can explain everything in my mind. In short, I can explain all the motifs, rhythmic patterns, and BPMs of my music by myself. Of course, there are parts that I can't explain clearly, but I can analyze the general influences. I think I feel a certain weirdness about it and a sense that I am lying to the world. That's why I get embarrassed when I am asked about it in interviews. It would have been easier to live if I had been more sensual, or if I had been more of a "just give your body to the beat! I think I would have lived more comfortably if I had been more of a sensual type, or if I had been more like, "Just let the beat take over!

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)Ahhh.

small bagAs I said before, I put it into words first. I think that is probably a kind of guilt for me. So I think I have a clear idea of what I want to challenge in my next work.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)But there are two types of people: the so-called genius type, who can do things intuitively without thinking, and the type who build their own world through logic.

small bagThat is not to say that one is superior or inferior to the other.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)Yes. It is just a different way of doing things. Or, when you put a lot of thought into thinking, and then throw it all away, what comes out is different from the kind of sensuous expression that a sensuous person would create from nothing at all, even if it is also sensuous.

small bagWhat makes you think that?

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)I myself have been the type to think a lot since I was a child, and even after I became a comedian, I wondered, "What about a comedian who thinks too much? I have always been the type of person who thinks a lot since I was a child. For example, there is the "mono-boke" style of comedy, in which a comedian makes use of things that are available on the spot to make people laugh. I am not very good at this. Usually, young comedians in their first or second year after making their debut do monoboke, but most of them are not very good at it. It seems like suicide for a comedian.

all of usHaha (laughs).

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)I thought to myself, "Why do people always go for the slippery slope?" And I was really scared of that. So when we would do monoboke together, I would pretend to be looking for something and hide. But when I realized that this was not good enough and that I had to get over it somehow, I had no choice but to think about it. At that time, I was looking through a lot of haiku and poetry collections.

small bagOh, I see.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)Haiku has to show an interesting scene with only 17 syllables. It is like a one-shot gag, and it should be suicide, but I wondered why haiku poets are so successful. So when I started doing monoboke without fully explaining what it is, I began to express myself in a way that was only possible by showing a part of the story, and I somehow found my own style, and I was able to do it without fear. Well, when I slip up, I do slip up.

all of usHaha (laughs).

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)Editors don't give me complete answers. I can only say, "This is how I interpreted what I wrote," or "Is this what you intended?" or "This part was too difficult for me to understand. or "I didn't understand this part because it was too difficult. And when I explained, he would say, "Well, why don't you add a few more words? I don't ask for answers, but rather, I ask for inspiration, and in that sense, they are absolutely indispensable.

small bagIt's exactly the same. Utada-san doesn't give me answers, and I don't ask for them either. He would say, "This is the kind of song this is for me," or "If that's the case, I would write it this way. It was like he was editing me, and I gained a lot of insight from his advice.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)It's incredibly difficult, but that's probably changing too, and ultimately, I can't do anything other than what I like to do. I had already decided on that. However, when I wrote "Spark," I wrote it the way I wanted to write it, but some people who were not used to reading books said it was "a little difficult" or "hard to read" because I like modern literature and have been influenced by it. But most people said, "That's not something novelists need to worry about.

small bagAhhh.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)I thought, "Well, that's the standard way of thinking in Japanese literature," but then I began to feel a twinge of the service spirit that I possess as a performer. The editors would stop me. I understand that, but that's not why I read them. I understand that, but I didn't want to completely ignore the readers, so when I wrote "Gekijo," I tried to find a style that would be easy to read for those who found "Spark" difficult to read, but that would also be more advanced as literature than "Spark. That was probably the most difficult thing for me to do.

small bagIt's an easy read, but actually a highly sophisticated attempt at literature.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)It's like a riddle, isn't it? Actually, it was a tough job, but if you ask me what I am going to do with the third one, I think I will write it without thinking about such things. If I think about it too much every time, it will become incomprehensible, and if I only worry about other people's opinions, I will lose sight of the form that best fits me. As a person of expression, it is not wrong to think, "What is it that the viewer will appreciate? I don't think there is anything wrong with thinking, "What will please the viewer? But when someone says to me, "Forget that, show me your best work," I have to be able to immediately say, "Well, here it is. Which one was it? It's absolutely useless if he says, "Oh, here it is. I try not to let that happen.

small bagI was originally a music producer, so I was kind of like an editor. So, until then, my job was to think about how to convey the music, and the basic premise of this work was to ignore all of that. However, I also have an ingrained producer's sensibility, and it is not that I am completely unaware of the audience, but if I feel that the music is becoming flirtatious, I try to eliminate it once and for all.

all of usHaha (laughs).

small bagThat's why the concept of the work, or rather, the reason for making it in the first place, was such a way. So, it is a bit of a detached approach, but that was the concept of the work, or rather, the reason for making it in the first place.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)It takes a lot of courage to push away, doesn't it?

small bagBut I think that's probably the easiest for me. I am in a position to say, "If you don't understand, you don't have to understand. I have not changed my personality since I was in elementary school.

small bagWhat I consider "nice" is the intense feeling I have for a certain individual and the relationship I have with that person, all the way through. Of course there are other people and societies that modify it in reality, but writing just for one person is very important to me. For example, a rock band might have an idea, and they might express their impatience or anger at not being able to approach that idea, or their doubts or dissatisfaction with society in their music, but I am not that type of person. I am not that type of person, so I don't have an ideal of "They," a third-party existence, or any kind of relationship with society. I think art should be inward-looking, and I am the type of person who is only interested in drawing a solid picture of my own inner self.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)That's right. I am also rather like that when it comes to drawing feelings for someone else.

small bagThere is always someone in "Tokyo Hyakkei. Like the man sitting on the bench. That's what I really like about it.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)This may be a bit off topic, but when I was writing "Spark," I met a junior comedian who had quit his job. He was working hard at his new job and his income was increasing, but he was not in good spirits and said something like, "Everyone else is still working as a comedian, but I'm the only one who quit, so I feel guilty about it.

small bagYes.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)I responded, "No, there's nothing to feel guilty about. It's not like being a comedian is the most prestigious profession. You just have to live your life, do the work you choose, and maybe you're more right than we are. We shouldn't think that we are more right than them, so we should have confidence in ourselves. I thought that I was not speaking well at all, even though I was saying that. I was able to find out why while writing "Spark. In other words, if I were in the same situation as that guy, I would probably feel guilty, but on the other hand, I would also say to myself, "No, I don't feel guilty at all. I had these two feelings inside of me, and that's why I couldn't talk about them properly. However, if you ask me if I wrote "Spark" for that junior, it is by no means the case.

small bagThe reason for the phrase "somehow I miss being alive" in the first part of the song "Kadodate" may be similar to that. There is a part of me that stands on the sidelines, and I feel like I'm running away from it by making music about it, and I hate myself for it, but I think it's similar to that feeling.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)I think that's good. People usually say things like, "Congratulations on your marriage. When they get married, they say, "Congratulations. On the other hand, "No, I don't want to be happy," or "I'm sad to be left behind. But the truth is, a person has both feelings, and they are blended together, but if you don't express yourself in one way or the other, you become a person whose personality is a bit broken.

small bagYes, yes.

good luck to come (omikuji fortune-telling result)Which is it?" or "That's not what you said earlier, is it?" So everyone decides which way to go and says it, but the truth is that everyone is subtly lying. But the truth is, everyone is subtly lying. If you try to get that out of them, you can come up with expressions like that.

small bagAh. Hearing that, I felt kind of saved.