I want to see your subjectivity. The freedom of film that Makoto Nagahisa and Sousuke Ikematsu embodied in "We Are Little Zombies".

Ikematsu:In trying to tell a story about something, you are not half as "enthusiastic" as you should be. It is easy to put it into words. I felt this when I saw "Goldfish" and of course it is the same this time, but there is something overwhelming about it. Normally, I would say, "Wow! (laughs).

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)Tension is high.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)During a costume fitting, Mr. Nagahisa suddenly said, "Yay! He raised his hands. He raised both hands.

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)I guess it was kind of quiet.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)It was kind of quiet, and I'm such a low tension person, so I make everyone around me quiet. That's why I said "yay" there (laughs).

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)Yay" is really great. It changes the atmosphere to "yay" in one second. I think it's a very useful word.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)I like the forced positivity , I like it a lot. . It was also evident in the film itself, though.

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24). yes, I do. I just want to make sure that everything related to the project is of good quality.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)I thought he was doing it naturally, but he is consciously making a series of exceptions. . I witnessed how the people on site were becoming more and more flirtatious with Mr. Nagahisa, and how they were becoming complicit in this film.

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)It's the only place to be. We will make one name in the history of cinema. I want to create something new. I want to make someone think something. I want to make a film that I think is the best. That is my pure purpose. I wonder if that's why they followed me.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)I think that's the way a writer should be. I wish everyone could be like that, but it's not easy.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)Of course . Film is, in a sense, an invisible, formless medium... I don't think you should do it unless you want lots of people to see it, all over the world, or if you want to please or move someone. I place importance on that kind of spirit, not only for myself but also for the people I work with. To tell you the truth, I don't like to rank them either.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)I have always felt that way. I want to show everyone how fun it is to make things. . I'm an actor, but I don't want to be a director right now.

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)Let's have a class together (laughs).

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)Nice.

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)I would like to make it a rule that all mankind must make one film in their lifetime as a duty. Then, because it is not a business, it would be possible to create something of high purity. It would be a dystopia where if you don't make a film, you will be arrested (laughs).

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii). you said during the shoot. You said, "I think it would be good if everyone filmed. I want to see everyone's subjective view. That's a great thing to say.

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)There is a grocery store near this interview location that for some reason keeps alligator snapping turtles. I would like to see a film of purity 1001 TP10T that captures just what the uncle of that grocer is thinking. . I think that would have more existential value than a film that has a clear origin and conclusion and is highly empathetic. We Are Little Zombies" is filled with my thoughts and assumptions, and I don't try to be objective. That's how I make my films.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)You are right. Those things are actually the most cinematic.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)The ability and mindset to look at someone else's life and replace it with your own is slowly disappearing in today's world.

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)Speaking of replacing, an actor is basically in the business of taking the subject matter here and discharging it into himself, isn't he? . In a sense, it is a profession similar to transparency.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)As you say, it is infinitely transparent. But, for example, the moment the four children of the main character appear on the screen, we see a different transparency in each of them. . It is just a matter of what kind of transparency they have accumulated during the ten or so years they have been alive. Of course, when I play a role, I am constructing the world of Mr. Nagahisa, but if I do not have my own transparent vessel, it will not be conveyed to the audience, and they will not be interested in me. I don't try to incorporate the thoughts and feelings of the role, but rather let the story, the character, and myself come together.

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)Maybe all my casting is like that. I ask people who don't usually act, but I really like what I "see".

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)You said that in the bath.

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)Oh, yes. We had a barbecue in the pouring rain at the launch of the movie. There was a pool there, but it was like climbing a mountain. I took my cell phone out of my pocket early (laughs), and I said "yay" so much that I got soaked.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)It was awful. Barbecues in the pouring rain , adults playing with their full chins. I didn't do it, though (laughs). We decided to call it a night and go to the second barbecue! So I got into a cab, soaked to the skin, and found myself in a public bathhouse with a soaking-soaked Mr. Nagahisa next to me. We talked about acting at that time. People who don't know what they are wearing are richer when they appear on the screen. What is that? And we were naked too....

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)A grown man talking about serious things in the nude (laughs). (Laughs.) I think I am applying the person's life as it is, and projecting it onto the film. By borrowing the person's life and humanity as it is and projecting it into the film, it becomes less transparent.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)There are a lot of great actors and actresses in "We Are Little Zombies" and many of them I like, but I'm not afraid to say so clearly that they are not as good as the four main actors. They meet in the world of the film and simulate life there for a few months. No one can match their persuasiveness, their stupefaction of the eyes .

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)When all four of us were together, I thought, "It's done.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)Anyway, I genuinely felt that I wanted these four people to be seen and found more.

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24). I wrote Mochizuki as the being closest to myself, somewhere between an adult and a child.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii). I felt that way when I read the script. . That's probably why they approached me, I also thought. The main character, Hikari, is Mr. Nagahisa who has taken off everything, and Mr. Mochizuki is Mr. Nagahisa after he has swallowed sociality and all that. Mochizuki had to pull the four of them up, and that's where you see a glimpse of his small cunning and dirtiness, he said.

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)I want to protect my unmatured sensibility, or perhaps I am afraid of losing it, which is why I make films. I thought it was a story about four boys and a girl, but maybe I made this film to affirm Mochizuki, who is very close to my current self, and to make him do the right thing and make amends.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)Little Nagahisa-san is the four boys and girls. Mr. Nagahisa, who has a bird's eye view of them, is Mochizuki. Behind him again is Mr. Nagahisa, the director, and the audience is looking at him.

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)（It's like Jodorowsky's "Endless Poetry" (laughs).

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)I think "maturity" in this day and age is a bit harsh, though. What constitutes maturity in the first place .

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)In simple terms, I guess I would say that they accept the fact that evil is prevalent in the world, and that they are mature enough to live cunningly. The four children are still looking at society and things from a flat perspective before maturity.

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)I was aware of that. . but I didn't design it to communicate anything to others. I believe that I don't know how others feel, so the only axis of judgment is within myself, whether it is how I would have felt if I had seen the film as a junior high school student or how I would feel now. . In making a film, I have a theme I want to convey, but I do not make films in order to convey it. It is paradoxical, isn't it?

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)I think it got through because Mr. Nagahisa dug himself in, and even if he had aimed at 100 people and said "Hello," he wouldn't have been able to hold hands with them. . Isn't it the most beautiful thing to trust your own senses and have them connect with someone else in the world?

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24). I think the right answer can only be found in the individual. The sentiment "I can't cry at a funeral" is very niche, and I was worried that it might not be possible, but there were people all over the world who told me, "I couldn't cry either, this is the first work or content to say this! I've never had a work or content that made me cry like that! People's feelings and thoughts are niche, and the greatest common denominator is just an illusion.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii). throughout the entire two hours. I resonated with the sense of the world that Mr. Nagahisa created. I genuinely couldn't take my eyes off these four people, and I think I like Mr. Nagahisa's sensibility. He is the kind of person who makes you want to see more and more of his films. . like surprising people, or doing something that shouldn't be done where it shouldn't be done. . Even when he blocks out the story, he always chooses to enrich the screen. How did you develop such a sense of the visual?

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)There is a premise that films have no rules, and I make them as if they were live performances. It is justified to be more exciting, and we have to give it our all, to die for, to give it an emotional thrust, an impulse. We should always make choices that are exciting, even if they ignore cinematic rules. I want it to be that way as a show, as a dialogue with the viewer.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)Looking a little bird's-eye view, there is an assumption in the two hours given to the four children that life is extremely boring. But Mr. Nagahisa, in spite of that, hates boredom.

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)I have given up on things like making society and life better and dreams. On top of that, I think it is most important to equip myself with humor, experimentation, and play in the minutiae of making a living and living a boring life.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)It's simple.

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)So, I don't deny that I live a boring life. I asked Mr. Ikematsu to do Mochizuki because he himself seems to be cold or resigned. And yet, he is passionate to no end. I thought that was similar to me. I want him to exist as a projection of myself, like Doni Lavin in the works of Leos Carax. I can only make my own stories in the future, so I would like you to be there. It is selfish of me.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii)Of course .

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)I would like to see the movie that Mr. Ikematsu made.

common Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii). I have a feeling that the timing will come someday, though.

Choukyuu era (1040.11.10-1044.11.24)I think it's okay if you're on the verge of death or something. Please take a picture. Someday .