Fashion and art both need a punchline.
I would like to talk about the theme of "cool" this time, but first of all, I get the impression that you both keep your distance from the so-called mainstream when it comes to fashion.
Kagami:We do it because we think we are mainstream (laughs).
Kaji:That's right! I'm super doing it too, thinking it's my main thing (laughs).
All:LOL!
Kagami:But you mean misaligned, and that's a good thing.
When I look at the expressions of the two of you, I see a somewhat anti-climactic attitude, as if you don't go for the main thing.
Kagami:It's not that I'm not going, I'd rather go if I'm invited. However, I don't want to get carried away. I am good friends with the photographer Motoyuki Tatefu, who takes pictures for Louis Vuitton, but he doesn't seem to change at all from his normal routine. That's what makes him so cool.
Kaji:I'm a stylist and I consider myself constantly working in the mainstream. I can't do my job if I don't understand the mainstream of fashion. Ken, you are an artist, but I am sure you have a firsthand understanding of the mainstream. However, if we talk about fashion in the same sentence, it becomes too narrow.
Kagami:That may be so. I feel that Japanese fashionistas and influencers only look at fashion. Of course, they also look at art, but I feel that their position is very half-hearted. But people recognize him as an "amazing person. So people tend to think that he has a great eye for art.
Kaji:In the end, we see things through the filter of fashion. We should be able to be free by stopping this and looking at things from a more bird's eye view, but we cling to fashion and are unable to do so.
You two are looking at things from a place a little further away from the center of the city, aren't you?
Kagami:About 20 years ago, the two of us used to go to Dixie Diner and talk. "Did you see that piece? or "That's cool" or "That's lame.
Kaji:Yes, I do. And, "Isn't that girl cute?" (laughs).
Kagami:Yes, yes (laughs). We recognized each other's senses while discussing things like that.
I think "tacky" is easy to understand. On the other hand, "cool" is difficult to understand, and I think there is something about it that cannot be verbalized.
Kaji:Cool" is a strong word. And we are still looking for what is cool. That is the most important driving force.
Kagami:We're both married and have kids, but we still want to be popular. I think it will become all the more uncool when that goes away.
All:LOL!
Kaji:People say I'm a natural, but I'm actually a cool guy.
Kagami:Oh yeah! Me too!
Kaji:They say, "It's nice and loose," but I'm trying to look cool. I think I'm on the cutting edge.
Up this year.HOUYHNHNM's articleAnd Mr. Kaji said, "It doesn't have to be a perfect score.
Kaji:I guess I'm trying to say that it's cool to be cool, but it's also cool to be able to say so. In other words, let's improve the quality of how to be cool. There is no perfect score, and there is no right answer to being cool.
Kagami:The direction of coolness is different for everyone. When I say, "Wow, this is super cool," the people around me sometimes give me the creeps. Why is that cool? I get a "Why is that so cool?
Kaji:So cool is hard.
I feel that the word "cool" has many meanings. In English, it is "Cool", but I think it can also mean "Smart" and "Unique". I think that the word "Cool" in English means "Cool" and "Smart" and "Unique" are also included. Returning to the topic of fashion, "fashionable" should be included in the word "cool," but if it is too fashionable, it seems to me that it is trying too hard, which changes the meaning of the word.
Kagami:I don't think it's cool to wear high-brand clothes all over your body. Maybe it depends on the quality of fashion.
Kaji:It's the quality of being fashionable. We don't deny that fashion itself is fashionable. It is a good thing to enjoy wearing clothes instead of dressing up. Even a single T-shirt has meaning in the process of choosing it. Wearing and enjoying that one piece of clothing may be what "dressing up" is all about. I feel that many people in the fashion industry are not able to do that.
Kagami:I guess it adds up to a lot of things.
Kaji:That's the challenge. I think this applies not only to the fashion industry, but to any field, but the longer you stay in the industry, the more you become preoccupied. For a while, magazines were all about "HOW TO", such as "this is popular" or "this is the right combination". I am sure the same thing was said in the stores. Fashion people were too serious about it, and I think that's why it became unfashionable. Fashion should be more free, but it seems to fit into the rules.
Kagami:Do people who care about fashion always go to the office looking amazing? I've never worked for a corporation, so I'm just guessing, but I wonder if it's like a vocational school, where they feel like they can't lose, and they wear nice brand outerwear and wide-brimmed hats. What do you think?
I think it depends on the mood of each company. It seems that not all companies are necessarily dressed up to the nines.
Kagami:What I think is cool is someone who is fashionable while maintaining some distance from the mainstream. They know what the main stream is, but they keep their distance from it, and yet they can still somehow smell it.
Kaji:Indeed. Maybe it would be nice to have a way to make people feel faint or not end up feeling self-satisfied. For example, it would be good to make them laugh. The feeling of wearing a wide-brimmed hat is a kind of energy, and you can channel it into something else.
Kagami:Why not make the tsuba wider? When I come in through the door, the two ends of the flange should be so wide that they collide with each other with a "bang! when you come in the door (laughs).
All:LOL!
Kaji:Yes, it's fashionable to go that far!
Kagami:If you're going to do it, you should at least do that.
Kaji:Too wide a spit may be extreme, but you need a punchline. That's how we can communicate with everyone.
Fashion needs a punchline. This is the part to take note of.
Kagami:Art is the same way. Art with an ending is interesting. If it is too fashionable, people think, "It doesn't have a point. It's the same with clothes. It's important to give the viewer a good ending.
Kaji:Fashion and art are both about the punchline. Whether you like the expression or not, you can digest it. You can exchange opinions. If it's all done by yourself, there's nothing to comment on.
Kagami:You remember the white school run at "SANSE SANSE," too? I immediately said, "I want a large size!
Kaji:I made that dress because I thought it was fashionable, not because it was a joke. I wanted to drive a car in those clothes. I wondered what the gas station attendant would look like. I usually drive a big SUV. I usually drive a big SUV, and a guy in a white school run comes up to me in that kind of car, you know?
Kagami:It will take me a while to understand it (laughs).
Kaji:I'm sure they'll look twice, even at the motorcycle (laughs). (Laughs.) Every day will be interesting, including that kind of thing.
