When the professor started talking about ecology, I thought he could do it because he was rich.
Do you feel that it is difficult for a prominent person like Mr. Goto to speak out against the environment?
Goto: I don't feel that so much. There is almost no backlash about the environment now. There are more and more people who want to do something about it. There is some backlash over things like nuclear power, but that is political. Anyway, I think it is unfair to leave these problems to the next generation. In fact, we are facing environmental problems as well. The problem of marine plastic is not something that we should abandon now, but the accumulation of the past 50 or 100 years is now in the ocean, as if we are trying to answer the question.
A: Many people can make these issues their own once they reach a certain age, but it is difficult to approach the younger generation, isn't it?
Goto: That is really true. When the professor started talking about ecology, I thought it was only because he was rich that he could do it. It was really rude, and now I feel sorry for myself for thinking so.
For example, it costs money to go vegan.
Goto: That's right. There is that contradiction too. What do you mean meat is the cheapest? It's like, "What does it mean that meat is the cheapest? But the production of meat is the most environmentally burdensome part of the process. So, to go back to the topic at hand, there is a difficulty in communicating our message. People think it's just a hobby for rich people. It's just a hobby for celebrities like you.
In the first place, wealth is not redistributed, so people have to eat cheap and environmentally hazardous food. So unless we consider environmental issues as a set of social systems, it will be difficult to solve the problem in a real sense. However, I don't think this can be covered by individual people's awareness alone. There must be political participation and social movements. There are many people with a high level of awareness, but they are not just doing it in their own places; they need to get together and work together to create a movement. If we really want to change things, we have to go to places we don't want to go. The professor has been doing that for a long time, and I really respect him for it.
Q: How did you meet Mr. Sakamoto in the first place?
Goto: I suddenly received a DM on Twitter. I heard that you have been studying a lot lately. From there, he told me about the environment and other interesting books. Then the earthquake happened and he said, "I'm thinking of organizing a festival called 'NO NUKES,' would you like to join me? I was invited to a press conference. I was invited to a press conference. The press wrote or broadcasted the name "R". "Ra" in Ryuichi Sakamoto's "etc." (laughs). (Laughs)
(laughs). When I think about it, Mr. Sakamoto has been standing in the firing line for a long time.
Goto: But we have to pass it on, don't we? I want to tell Mr. Sakamoto that the next generation is here.
