I want something that is not easily recognizable.
Do you think the fact that this production is in the form of a musical had something to do with why Sogabe-san initially thought that he did not know how to watch "Annette"?
Sogabe:Is that a musical? (Laughs) If it is a musical, I think there are too few musical parts.
This film was originally supposed to be an adaptation of Sparks' rock opera.
Sogabe:To begin with, I am not very good at rock operas.
Are "Tommy" and "Quadruple Personality" by The Who considered masterpieces in the history of rock music?
Sogabe:I think "Tommy" is a contrivance, after all. There is no consistency in the storyline, and the story just keeps jumping around. I'm sure Pete Townsend has the storyline in his head, but in rock operas, it's like "the first word gets you. Rock operas are like "just say it and you win.
Big Bottom:Wow, I had no idea about the term "rock opera" itself.
The audience has to supplement the leaps in the story. In that sense, "Annette" may be such a work.
Sogabe:That's right. When you said it was a rock opera, it sort of made sense to me (laughs). But I think a musical is something that eventually starts with a moving song and you are moved by it. In that sense, I think "Annette" can be called a musical. I have never been a big fan of musicals, just like Tamori-san.
Big Bottom:It is true that the songs don't stay with me at all (laughs). However, I am not a big fan of musicals either, but I really enjoyed "Annette" as a musical. It's not the kind of "let's start singing" that you tend to see in musicals, but rather the sudden bursts of emotion that make it easy to get into the show.
Sogabe:I see. Perhaps the difference in age between you and I is a big factor. When you reach my age, you already have a fixed idea of what you are looking for in a film, and if it doesn't match that idea, you are at a loss.
Big Bottom:That may be so.
Sogabe:Since I'm going to talk about Carax, I rewatched "Dirty Blood" yesterday for the first time in a while, and it's not at all like "Oh, I used to like this when I was young," but it's still right in the middle for me.
It is still the same shock I felt when I saw "Dirty Blood" for the first time at a movie theater in Takamatsu when I was in high school, when I thought, "I will live like this," and "Everything is here. It was different from how I felt when I saw "The Lover of the Pont Neuf" at Cinema Rise after I moved to Tokyo. I was still in "Dirty Blood," but the artist (Carax) grew up and had a child in real life, but I felt that I had not reached that point yet.
But, Mr. Sogabe, you have grown up and had a child since you first saw "Dirty Blood", so you have spent the same amount of time.
Sogabe:But in the end, nothing had changed. Ever since I was a high school student watching "Dirty Blood". I'm sure that somewhere in me, I'm living my life thinking that I could die tomorrow. That's why I'm the kind of bad spectator who wants Carax to make "Dirty Blood" forever. Even when I saw "The Lovers of the Pont Neuf," I went home from the theater crying, thinking, "I can't believe they ended up like this.
Big Bottom:(Laughs). Of course, I was a latecomer, but when I saw "Dirty Blood" as a teenager, I didn't understand it at first, and watched it several times over after that.
You wouldn't watch it again and again if you didn't like it, right?
Big Bottom:Yes, I did. So I guess I liked it. But it wasn't until I was in my 20s that I finally understood. That can be said for other Carax films as well, but there are many things in the old Carax films that I only came to understand when I started watching various films. In that sense, "Annette" may be a little different.
Sogabe:Yes, I think so. I think "Annette" will have a completely different impact on people who can watch it with an open mind, without thinking of it as "the latest Carax film. I love easy-to-understand entertainment films, and I tend to watch only such films nowadays, but I think that people, especially when they are young, want something that cannot be easily understood in some part of their mind. I think that is what art is about. For people who want something like that, I don't think there is anything better than this new film.
Big Bottom:I think it is important to have a work that goes over your head at great speed, rather than one that just slips into your mind.
Sogabe:That's right. It's like it's up to you to reach out and grab it. I think that kind of thing will truly nourish your mind.
Big Bottom:Yes, I do. That is exactly what Carax's films are to me.
Sogabe:That is why Carax, who continues to make films like "Annette" even at that age, is still a hero to me. I would like to ask him again (laughs).
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