The more depth we can share, the easier it will be to create something good.
Kagami: I have a question for you, Hasegawa-kun. There are a lot of people involved in a stylist's or a photographer's work, right? In your case, you always work with the same team, right? I really sympathize with that. It is difficult to make something cool with people you don't know, isn't it?
Hasegawa: Yes, it is.
Kagami: . So I also try to have Mr. Tefu take pictures of me.
Hasegawa: . I know exactly what you mean. In the distant past, my editor and I would look at "Commercial Photography" and say, "I like this photographer," but when we finally met him or her, we didn't feel the same way at all. If you don't feel the same way, it's impossible to do a photo shoot. If you think, "This guy kind of pisses me off," you won't be able to get a good shot.
I see.
Hasegawa: To get a good result, you have to feel "good" about the people you work with. if you work together for 3 years or so, you will understand each other, but I don't think it is possible with a relationship that lasts only a week or two. . Because it is important in fashion to express a little subtle feeling. . So, the pictures can be good or bad, but it has to be someone you are comfortable with in the first place. If you don't get along with someone, you won't be able to talk to each other forever.
. So, a common language is created over time.
Hasegawa: If we have been working together for a number of years, we will accumulate a sense of sharing, and even locations that were rejected in the past can be utilized once more. The more we can share that kind of depth, the easier it is to create something good. . I think this is true not only in the fashion industry, but also in the culinary world or any other world.
Do you ever get stuck in a rut after working with the same team for so many years?
Hasegawa: Of course there is, but that's something I have to work on. . It's the difference between being in a rut and being in a continuity. Expressions are not always new. People tend to think that fashion is always new, but I don't think so. It is possible to open one's closet and still wear clothes bought five years ago, and I think it is okay to keep the same style for three or five years and then get bored with it and change it drastically. I don't think I do things with the idea that everything new is new.
Kagami: Fashion is unique. It could be a little slower.
Hasegawa: Maybe I'm unique, but I prefer things that are a bit more mundane. . Maybe from the point of view of people overseas, it's not even fashionable. For me, something like buying a large size Dickies jacket at an American workwear store is fashion. Overseas, such things are just a way of life. I think it would be interesting to see "COMME des GARCONS" mixed in with such clothes sometimes.
You also pick up things that fall by the side of the road and turn them into artworks. It seems that we have something in common.
Hasegawa: Yeah . I understand. I can relate to it. It's like a sense of discomfort in everyday life.
Kagami: Do you always shoot with the same team and have a meeting before shooting? Or do you just shoot out of the blue with A-Un?
Hasegawa: You have zero meetings.
Kagami: That's right! I'm the same way with Mr. Tatefu . They don't ask, and I don't say anything either. That's why the models are so confused (laughs). They are like, "What should I do? (laughs).
Hasegawa: If you have an idea in advance, your mind will be forced to work on it. It is easier to judge whether it is good or bad if we explore the idea on the spot. If something is different, we can just work it out on the spot. It is easier to work that way.
Kagami: I don't think about it at all either. It's more interesting that way, isn't it?
I understand that the meetings for "Sepabus" were also improvised.
Kagami: Yes, that's right. We have a regular meeting every week, and the ideas that come to mind at that meeting are given form.
Hasegawa: Fashion is all about the mood of the moment. When people buy clothes, they make decisions based on their mood at the time, right? If I don't create my products with that kind of mood in mind, I don't think the recipients will enjoy them either. It is not good if it becomes more like work.
Kagami: . It's great that it's selling so well. Sepabus" is still taking a long time (laughs).
It is often said that it takes three years to start a brand and sell it.
Kagami: Three years may not be enough time to get results... (laughs).
Hasegawa: But you're going by the name Kagame from now on, right? I think it's definitely better that way.
Kagami: Susumu Shibukawa was interesting to do, though.
Hasegawa: But it does make it harder to do PR.
Kagami: Fashion is difficult, isn't it?
Hasegawa: Yes, that's right. Especially since we are amateurs when it comes to making clothes, it is very difficult to share the same image.
Kagami: . I really do. When I do "sepabus," I show various images to everyone to share the image first, but it's difficult to convey it. But it is difficult to convey the images. It's a sensual thing, so I can't help but think that it's unavoidable. As Hasegawa says, it is better to take time to understand each other.
. So, that's all for this talk. The talk will continue in the final installment. Sepabus will have pop-ups at two stores! The pop-up will be held at Isetan Shinjuku from May 3 (Wed) to 9 (Tue) and at Ginza Tsutaya from May 6 (Sat) to 26 (Fri). This is a chance to actually hold in your hands the fashion items designed by Mr. Kagami. We recommend that you take this opportunity to visit the store.
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